Trump re-posts a meme-lie about Kamala Harris giving bl*w j*bs to get ahead -- and to quote Carly--Vance uses Andrew Tate memes as a "dog whistle" to lure online misogynists to vote for. Trump.
I think it's complicated. On the surface, it looks like a temper tantrum because they've lost privilege, control, money, status, and prestige, all in a matter of about 60 years. Now some men -- and I've known many, many of these men -- have never had the problem of basing self-esteem on being able to control a woman and have not taken advantage of them at work or at home. And these are men who have raised sons who can protect a woman without invoking a protection RACKET, and these men attract women who DON'T use men as wallets. There are a whole bunch of games that are paired games: men use women as trophies -- and Andrew Tate talks about pretty women being a man's only FLEX in a room full of other men, who listen to him more and respect him more because he's got this goddess on his arm. The paired part of that is that women use men who play this game as an entre to a whole world she'll never have to work for. Now successful women won't even date a man who's not as successful as she is because of the mountain of problems that come with that. And Andrew Tate openly tells men not to date a woman more intelligent than he is because he'll always feel small around her if he does (why?). ... When I was growing up, my mother FORBADE me to use big words or talk about any intellectual subject around me. I married a Harvard professor, so that kind of made mincemeat of her argument, but that's kinda always been there. One huge problem in this is that when the whole reality virtually FLIPPED OVER, men had nowhere to stand. The so-called Men's Liberation Groups of the 1970s and 80s were a mess and really full of crap, so men got little if anything out of them except the veiled misogyny that now presents itself as males being emasculated by mothers and female teachers, which they are not. The bigger problem is that the males of our species have the fastest-changing GENOME of any animal subset yet tested on this planet. You guys are literally transforming as we speak. I read three days ago that the Y chromosome itself is "dying out" and that in a few thousand years it will not exist at all. The X chromosome is, so far, stable. Now maybe this is because males MUST transform or the species will kill itself off--and this isn't fair. The ability of men to defend pregnant mothers and women with young ones around is the whole reason we made it as a species at all. The male impulse towards invention and "making it over the next hill" has built a whole world. But now we are overpopulated, we are overly violent (but with men responsible for 91% of all crime and violence), and we have taken the attitude that we can take from the earth until she is utterly bankrupt of any ability to nourish us or any other species. The problem for men is that the LEVEL OF DISORIENTATION IS ON AN ORDER I HAVE NOT SEEN HAPPEN EVER--NOT EVEN HISTORICALLY. This is a major mental health issue that is a result of our whole history--not the fault of the men alive now, though some really are bad people (Tate amongh them). But most men are responding to disorientation and, as you say, taking the pain out of women, though I wouldn't suggest they take it out on each other, either! Understanding it would help. But now we have a new problem in that the social connections normally made in infancy and childhood are completely shut down by cell phones and other screens. Just have a look. This is a very, very serious issue, with even the tiniest children very screwed up -- and young men completely adrift. If Andrew Tate is targeting women for exploitation, he is targeting young men in a far, far worse way: and they have paid him $710,000,000 to tell them how to get laid. He is a monster, but they are not. See https://www.facebook.com/reel/349519391564874
Thanks Morgaan, I find the hating of women all so weird and torn with such strange twisted and perverted contradictions.
I personally have grown up amongst strong, assertive, intelligent and motivated women and then I married one. She’s my best friend.
Trying to break down misogyny’s many parts as -
Everyone is made, gestated and born by a woman.
So, everyone has a mother, good, bad or otherwise.
All men have various women in their lives and upbringing,
a mother, sisters, cousins, aunts, grandmothers and other female friends and acquaintances .
There is this weird desire for, attraction to women but in steps the complete canceling as a sentient autonomous being dynamic.
Does hierarchal and patriarchal thinking step in and women’s physical inferiority? The paranoid boys club group think, mental wank?
The strange and totally weird sense of entitlement to a woman’s body completely divorced of her mind and personhood.
There is a complete lack of respect for women as people first. What is this?
Men find women desirable and want to fuck them but at the same time hate them. Incels are particularly troubling example.
Why do men hate what they want to fuck?
Definition of hate -
intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury - Merriam Webster
Is it all about power, control and domination of the other, the completely objectified woman?
Is it just the ultimate male wank fucking a women any way you want, any time you want with no consideration for her wanting too, her sexual wants, desires and needs?
Take what you want without any consideration?
Rape is the ultimate expression of this hate, this complete objectification, complete dehumanisation, this complete negation of the other.
I feel sick thinking about it.
It is sick.
These hating men have never had sex with a woman who wants to be fucked.
The female sexual arousal once coxed, stirred and stimulated into action is an awesome sexual energy to behold and be part of.
So, we men have so many hang ups and big problems with ourselves and how we corrupt the seeing of women as a person first.
I think another thing about misogyny is the constant attempt to turn a woman into a servant, into an incarcerated being who's supposed to leave the whole public sphere to men. Men's Rights Activists are now pressing, with the whole Trad Wife thing, to return the public sphere to the complete control of men, as it was about 150 years ago: women can't work, women can't have their own bank accounts, women in many cases can't inherit money, women can't own land, they can't start businesses ... and all the work nobody wants to do is theirs to do without pay. Covenant marriages would strip women of the right to divorce. It is sobering that Roe v. Wade was lost so easily. And where this can go here is just where it went in Iran. The revolution occurred in 1978-79, and forced veiling and the stripping of almost all marital rights was complete by 1983. It's now 2024, so it's been 40 years of abuse by government and sometimes -- certainly not always -- of being abused in the home. Once it's lost, it can be lost for years, decades, or centuries. And I am not sure men hate women. Men need women in a whole complex of ways that women don't need men: for childbearing, obviously. And also I think biologically, men suffer from (and I mean that) a procreative pressure that women don't suffer with to such a remarkable degree, and that lasts for them for a couple of decades. This is what the Incels are angry about: now that women can make their own way and create their own success in the world, there is far, far less pressure on women to accept liaisons with men than there was before. I am old -- 76 -- and 3/4 of the girls in my high school class were married by the time they were 22. Now marriage is a complete option -- so long as birth control still remains, but Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito has their knives out for that, too. When someone's needs become optional for the other person, I think it can engender rage. There are two serious examples of this, one being the debate in Yemen several years back about legal marriage age. As Yemen had signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child and CEDAW, that age should be 18. But some in government argued that the legal age should be 13 because "young teenage boys want to have sex." So now there is NO legal age, and now there are four million child brides in Yemen and no plan afoot to solve the problem. And in India, the rape capital of the world, they were warned: when abortion was made legal, 2,999 out of every 3,000 abortions was the termination of a female foetus. Doctors sounded the alarm early: parents were terminated almost exclusively females--to get out of the burden of paying a dowry later--which would, in 20 years, leave a whole generation of men without wives or even the prospect of ever marrying or having children and deprive millions upon millions of males of any sexual happiness at all. Some said, "This will make women more prized as people." And the doctors said, "No, it will make women targeted for an afternoon's pleasure and many, many women will die." And the doctors were right. In India, one in 20 women has an abortion in any year--in every year. And 99.996% of them are female foetuses. This problem is getting worse, not better. And this generation of boys, raised not on relationship by on cell phones, has no emotional skills with which to approach their own needs, and thus turn to each other on the Internet, with disastrous results. Men need women. And what men hate isn't women. Men need women, and men hate needing.
About 15 years ago my grandfather remarked that one of the most significant changes and improvements he had seen over his lifetime was the role and possibilities for women. All 4 of his daughters and 3 sons went to university. My mum fell pregnant in 1969 with me in her first year of uni and my grandmother and grandfather sent her back to my farther and back to uni. I am a true bastard.
I am now witnessing the reversing, a great unwinding of the position of women in the US with the evangelical right wing Project 2025 agenda. trump 1.0’s stacking of SCOTUS and the disaster of Roe being the very significant opening act.
The sliding decent into a Christian fundamentalist theocratic state will be super bad for women as you said, with your example Iran and also Afghanistan that is shockingly bad.
The saddest thing is that when aid groups support women, empower them, the whole family and society benefits as seen with the micro credit initiatives. Women spend their money on the whole family and invest in the development and support of the whole family.
Your examples of Yemen’s child brides and the abortion for men are both terrible twisted outcome. I believe a similar trait has been seen in China skewing towards males plus the one child policy for so many years.
Finally, “And what men hate isn't women. Men need women, and men hate needing.”
Men hate needing women?
Not sure, yet another part if misogyny?
Reading and listening to Krishnamurti most of our problems stem from our fragmented and conditioned thinking.
The thinking mind exists in space time and is conditioned by our culture, language, traditions, our ideas, beliefs, ambitions, desires, envies, jealousies, wants, illusions, delusions and fears. Everything around us and in us conditions us. And we can only grasp bits and pieces, fragments of everything, we cannot see of perceive the whole via this conditioned and fragmented thinking mind.
This fragmented mind then acts and implements all these dysfunctional, incomplete fragments of ideas, beliefs, fears, and all the rest of it, into the world.
Act, act, act and then there is endless reaction, reaction and reaction. It’s an endless insane jumbled mess of a cycle. We all do this, hence the world we live in now.
Krishnamurti says the only non fragmented actions we can take is by love. Love is one of these mystery’s that can only be described by what it is not. bell hooks says love, in the sense of an intimate partner is the spiritual enrichment of the other.
Everything I see and read about controlling women is definitely not love. Project 2025, evangelical Christian fundamentalists, Shia Muslim fundamentalists in Iran, Suni /Pashtan fundamentalists in Afghanistan, Incels, Proud Boys, white supremacists all want to control, restrict and dominate women. This is obviously all repression and oppression of women. All the antithesis of love.
So, these fundamentalist men may, by biological necessity, need women, but I fail to see how all this coercive control is not hate, not misogyny.
What a great story about your mum. I think this huge, worldwide backlash against women's rights is a panic. And, for sure, it's hate and misogyny. And the hatred of needing is a hatred of feeling vulnerable and one thing patriarchy does is help me disguise their fears by issuing fiats about what women are and are not able to do. If you're running somebody else's life, who is there to fear. But if you need someone and you can't run their life, that fear rushes up on you. And I think that's what we're seeing. I know some men who are Incels and more who are MRA (Men's Rights Activists), and although I hear about the things they've said, they have not stopped being kind to me and respectful of me. Maybe it's my age. But this I also feel, and write about it above ... These people online who are making millions off this violent grievance culture aren't getting rich off women: they're getting rich of teenagers and young men willing to pay $670 for a two-week course on how to manipulate a woman into bed or $8,000 for a course on how to bully a woman into making a porn video for you that you'll make $250,000 off in six months. Andrew Tate is the enemy of men, who are duped by him into POURING cash at him. He is as much as an enemy to them as he is to a vulnerable 15-year-old. How deep is the fear in men of this age, when their control is gone and they are flailing in desperation for a relationship in which there can be some kind of real love and respect and joy? I am all for calling out what these people are doing -- and how real this threat is -- but at the end of the day, I wind up crying a lot and thanking all that is holy that my son did not grow up any later than he did--and that he had the benefit of growing up with a psychologist father and around a host of religious leaders of many orientations. And ah ... Krishamurti. Beautiful ... beautiful. I was living in Australia when he was to visit there. The local people build bleachers on both sides of Sydney Harbor in anticipation that he would walk into from the sea on the water. He let them know he wouldn't. It made him very sad. Fragmented thinking/feeling/sensing indeed. Please stick around. I love what you just wrote, and I hope you will comment a lot. [s] All love, all light ...
If I step back and cast my gaze wider and putting my money corrupting power / billionaire elite conspiracy / cooked the planet / psychopath run corporate capitalist fascist conspiracy hat on for a moment, lol.
This psychotic “system” in the 70s, 80s and 90s has ripped up any social contract allegiance to the people and exported in the name of “free open markets” traditional men’s jobs to developing counties because it’s a lot cheaper, exploiting all and everything for the mighty $ and in the process created a crises of opportunity across the western world and Russia as we ripped up and abandoned our industrial heartlands at a phenomenal pace and cost to the working class and their communities. In the process drove down wages and conditions for all and impoverished whole sways of our countries.
This total economic betrayal and social vandalism in the pursuit of endlessly increasing profit by the billionaire elites is the initial primary (cancer) creator, driver and stressor of this inversion of ordinary mens roles, emasculation, driving and forcing them ever down via shear lack of economic opportunity and ability to influence or change it.
This to me seems to be what’s driving men into the spiraling MRA / MGTOW / Incel taliban luving hell hole echo chamber ways.
That and the un$ocial media age we have plunged into where algorithms drive everyone into angry hate filled echo chambers as this is the fuel that creates and maintains engagement for us to be flogged back to the billionaire advertisers. All on a world wide scale so we can all froth and radicalise each other.
Yuck, I hate it all un$ocial media that has no purpose and it’s corrosive psychotic impacts on us all.
Except Sub Stack!
We men, collectively have lost our way big time.
Men, I have found are VERY emotional creatures. My limited exposure to a men’s mentoring group years ago, both a small one of 4 men and a larger group revealed just how deep and profound men’s emotions are and how lost so many of them are, how hurt and damaged they have been by their failed relationships and split families.
And I have seen first hand female aggression and abuse and its equally devastating impacts.
Like all emotions I can see how these extremely intense intimate partner ones when not directed or dealt with well, properly or healthily can lead straight to intense shame, anger and straight down the violent rabbit hole of the MRA / MGTOW / Incel taliban luving ways.
I saw directly how different my personal relationship was with my best female friend was. I have complete and open communication in my relationship, and try to work on it literally everyday. What I gave and received from my relationship is and was vastly different from what these damaged men had lived and experienced.
Circling back to your “And the hatred of needing is a hatred of feeling vulnerable and one thing patriarchy does is help me disguise their fears by issuing fiats about what women are and are not able to do. “
I can concur about vulnerability, the mentoring group provided a safe space for the men present, to reveal, show and share their pain and anguish in a non judgemental social circle of peers, only the man holding the sceptre was allowed to talk and the rest had to listen only, all before older and younger men, as I feel men have always done throughout time, it’s a very powerful unifying and cathartic thing / experience for those present.
Bearing collective witness via intense present listening and providing some sort of collective shared care by being there in that moment for others brings out all sorts of stuff. Stuff that most likely has no outlet except into the destructive nihilist paths we have been talking about.
Then there is the psychopathic Tate’s of the world directly preying upon men’s vulnerability and fully exploiting them for $ at a terrible cost to them personally and the rest of our societies. All this needs to be exposed as you are.
Totally agree with your statement about your son growing up, I would not like to grow up in today’s hyper surveilled word, you already know my thoughts on un$ocial media.
My son is now 18 and his mother keeps a very close eye on him but we have exposed him to the realities of life from an early age and have had an on going continuous dialogue about all the dysfunctions and traps that are out there and he has gone out and seen and experienced them for himself. You can only hope your kids have the skills to navigate this crazy world.
I imagine it made Krishnamurti very sad that people saw and thought of him as a god, deity, saviour, guru, as he keeps saying don’t follow me or anyone, it’s all conditioning…
And thank you for all your insights, observations and thoughts on our collective dysfunctions! Luv your work. Cheers.
Just when I think things can’t be more vulgar or more scary they get 100% more vulgar and more scary.
Whew! Who are we? Does regulation still have a meaning ?
Does adulthood carry a purpose beyond getting to act like a moron?
Are we so lost in “just making it” that we care not a twit about regulated guidance for not only our children, but for our entire race?
It seems time( way over due) that we regulate the inter-net so it isn’t awash in hate and vulgarity . When it works to educate it can be a tremendous ideal. When it is used to give the “green light” to verbally abusing then it needs to carry huge fines and rules. Delete ! But with purpose to curb ugly hateful losers.
Is Vance seriously disturbed, saying intentionally inflammatory ideas to take us off tract reducing our attention to important events, or truly believing these things and is rational? I suggest the 2nd intentionally taking us down rabbit holes.
Still we should fight and block his apparent policy ideas but do it like swatting flies. We stay on our track but deal with his rabbits as easily as flies while continuing to work.
Trump and Vance are doing this intentionally to lure the roughly 50 million late teens through mid-30s men who espouse anti-feminist ideologies ranging from the Men's Rights Activism movement (Harrison Butker who espouses Trad Wifedom for the formerly free woman) to the Pick-Up Artist movement (Andrew Tate et al. who espouses rape, trafficking, and use of women in porn videos to make money ... and who converted to Talibanism last November). Now we get into far, far more dangerous: the Incels. These are men who are "involuntary celibates"--they want sexual partners and life partners and can't get them. They have adopted lingo from The Matrix and violent online games and classify both men and women. There are Red Pill guys and Purple Pill guys, and the Reds (the more severe) advocate draconian losses of rights by women. And they HATE women. Many espouse rape, child assault if that's what the guy wants, and a complete removal of woman for public office, work, and free socialization. Basically, they're the Taliban and have cheered every time the Taliban remove educational, divorce, electoral, and medical rights from women. Here's a synopsis. Pay pretty close attention to the mass murders, because there have been some:
The subculture's attitude can be characterized by resentment, hostility, sexual objectification, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, sense of entitlement to sex, blaming of women and the sexually successful for their situation (which is often seen as predetermined due to biological determinism, evolutionary genetics or a rigged game), nihilism, rape culture, and the endorsement of sexual and non-sexual violence against women and the sexually active.[10][25] Incel communities have been increasingly criticized by scholars, government officials, and others for their misogyny, the endorsement and encouragement of violence, and extremism.[26] Over time the subculture has become associated with extremism and terrorism, and since 2014 there have been multiple mass killings, mostly in North America, perpetrated by self-identified incels, as well as other instances of violence or attempted violence.
The MGTOWs -- Men Going Their Own Way -- may be the worst group, though they are many fewer in number. What sets them apart is their notion of extermination camps for women except for those especially chosen to bear child and to mate with men at their pleasure. Here you have the Handmaid's Tale but with the overt desire to control women for sex in the ways and at the times they say. Basically sexual slavery and forced childbirth.
Now, I wish that were them putting us on, but it is not. My son, who is as sane and good a man as I have known in my lifetime sat me down and warned me about a neighbor saying I should never, under any circumstances, let him in the house -- and grieved the fact that so many of his friends have been sucked into this misogynyn in the last TWO YEARS.
If Trump and Vance can tap these guys -- and they're now using every catch phrase of theirs they can find -- and inspire them to the polls, they can beat Kamala Harris, who represents everything they hate in a woman.
Politicians and religious figures have always played the card that if men will vote for them, they will fork over women's freedom to them, get them out off the public sphere so men can recapture control of all the money in the culture -- thereby forcing women back into marriage and into the home -- and end not just abortion but contraception and stop what they *feel* is the plot against whites by women and people of culture, the Great Replacement theory to which all these groups are allied to the marrow of their bones.
And who are they really, at heart? From Sian Norris's book, "Bodies under Siege: How the Far–Right Attack on Reproductive Rights Went Global
When the Taliban recaptured Afghanistan in August 2021, the incels celebrated the “Talichad” and approvingly shared images of women being flogged. One post on abortion reads, “I care about abortion, women have to suffer and if they don’t wanna suffer, we make them suffer.”
More coming on this. But they are NOT having us on, and Trump and Vance REALLY want to tap their numbers. Which is why they're taking their misogyny mainstream not that Project 2025 has been exposed and they have far less to lose than they once did.
I'm surprised that no one has made the association of "childless cat ladies" with "witches" in the Middle ages and into our early colonial days. Unmarried women were often seen as a threat by men, because they couldn't be controlled; they often took roles of healers, wise women, midwives, women who knew herbs that could be used for abortion, they had to carve out a living for themselves in a world that vilified them. They learned to not have to rely on men for their livelihood. They didn't fit into the roles of patriarchy as Vance so clearly delineates. Allowing them to teach would be dangerous. They may have had cats as pets. They were dangerous to the church and patriarchy, so they "became" the "witches" that were persecuted, murdered, burned in the name of "Christianity". It seems like such a clear association...
Don't they also want to force women to cover their bodies from head to toe and make them where masks? Also make singing illegal, adultery punishable by death, and take away voting rights. Its aweful
We seriously need to stop giving these stanky inbred rapist pedophiles of Donald J. Trump air time. Just send the bitches to prison and drag out the hookers who spat these fuckers out.
Trump lost multi-million dollar legal judgments for defamation against E. Jean Carrol, I wonder if he has opened himself to civil or criminal complaints against him from former senator and attorney general Kamala Harris for defamation, intimidation and harassment.
It basically amounts to men taking their pain out on women because they are reluctant to do it on men, their "buddies."
I think it's complicated. On the surface, it looks like a temper tantrum because they've lost privilege, control, money, status, and prestige, all in a matter of about 60 years. Now some men -- and I've known many, many of these men -- have never had the problem of basing self-esteem on being able to control a woman and have not taken advantage of them at work or at home. And these are men who have raised sons who can protect a woman without invoking a protection RACKET, and these men attract women who DON'T use men as wallets. There are a whole bunch of games that are paired games: men use women as trophies -- and Andrew Tate talks about pretty women being a man's only FLEX in a room full of other men, who listen to him more and respect him more because he's got this goddess on his arm. The paired part of that is that women use men who play this game as an entre to a whole world she'll never have to work for. Now successful women won't even date a man who's not as successful as she is because of the mountain of problems that come with that. And Andrew Tate openly tells men not to date a woman more intelligent than he is because he'll always feel small around her if he does (why?). ... When I was growing up, my mother FORBADE me to use big words or talk about any intellectual subject around me. I married a Harvard professor, so that kind of made mincemeat of her argument, but that's kinda always been there. One huge problem in this is that when the whole reality virtually FLIPPED OVER, men had nowhere to stand. The so-called Men's Liberation Groups of the 1970s and 80s were a mess and really full of crap, so men got little if anything out of them except the veiled misogyny that now presents itself as males being emasculated by mothers and female teachers, which they are not. The bigger problem is that the males of our species have the fastest-changing GENOME of any animal subset yet tested on this planet. You guys are literally transforming as we speak. I read three days ago that the Y chromosome itself is "dying out" and that in a few thousand years it will not exist at all. The X chromosome is, so far, stable. Now maybe this is because males MUST transform or the species will kill itself off--and this isn't fair. The ability of men to defend pregnant mothers and women with young ones around is the whole reason we made it as a species at all. The male impulse towards invention and "making it over the next hill" has built a whole world. But now we are overpopulated, we are overly violent (but with men responsible for 91% of all crime and violence), and we have taken the attitude that we can take from the earth until she is utterly bankrupt of any ability to nourish us or any other species. The problem for men is that the LEVEL OF DISORIENTATION IS ON AN ORDER I HAVE NOT SEEN HAPPEN EVER--NOT EVEN HISTORICALLY. This is a major mental health issue that is a result of our whole history--not the fault of the men alive now, though some really are bad people (Tate amongh them). But most men are responding to disorientation and, as you say, taking the pain out of women, though I wouldn't suggest they take it out on each other, either! Understanding it would help. But now we have a new problem in that the social connections normally made in infancy and childhood are completely shut down by cell phones and other screens. Just have a look. This is a very, very serious issue, with even the tiniest children very screwed up -- and young men completely adrift. If Andrew Tate is targeting women for exploitation, he is targeting young men in a far, far worse way: and they have paid him $710,000,000 to tell them how to get laid. He is a monster, but they are not. See https://www.facebook.com/reel/349519391564874
Thanks Morgaan, I find the hating of women all so weird and torn with such strange twisted and perverted contradictions.
I personally have grown up amongst strong, assertive, intelligent and motivated women and then I married one. She’s my best friend.
Trying to break down misogyny’s many parts as -
Everyone is made, gestated and born by a woman.
So, everyone has a mother, good, bad or otherwise.
All men have various women in their lives and upbringing,
a mother, sisters, cousins, aunts, grandmothers and other female friends and acquaintances .
There is this weird desire for, attraction to women but in steps the complete canceling as a sentient autonomous being dynamic.
Does hierarchal and patriarchal thinking step in and women’s physical inferiority? The paranoid boys club group think, mental wank?
The strange and totally weird sense of entitlement to a woman’s body completely divorced of her mind and personhood.
There is a complete lack of respect for women as people first. What is this?
Men find women desirable and want to fuck them but at the same time hate them. Incels are particularly troubling example.
Why do men hate what they want to fuck?
Definition of hate -
intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury - Merriam Webster
Is it all about power, control and domination of the other, the completely objectified woman?
Is it just the ultimate male wank fucking a women any way you want, any time you want with no consideration for her wanting too, her sexual wants, desires and needs?
Take what you want without any consideration?
Rape is the ultimate expression of this hate, this complete objectification, complete dehumanisation, this complete negation of the other.
I feel sick thinking about it.
It is sick.
These hating men have never had sex with a woman who wants to be fucked.
The female sexual arousal once coxed, stirred and stimulated into action is an awesome sexual energy to behold and be part of.
So, we men have so many hang ups and big problems with ourselves and how we corrupt the seeing of women as a person first.
A sad state of affairs.
I think another thing about misogyny is the constant attempt to turn a woman into a servant, into an incarcerated being who's supposed to leave the whole public sphere to men. Men's Rights Activists are now pressing, with the whole Trad Wife thing, to return the public sphere to the complete control of men, as it was about 150 years ago: women can't work, women can't have their own bank accounts, women in many cases can't inherit money, women can't own land, they can't start businesses ... and all the work nobody wants to do is theirs to do without pay. Covenant marriages would strip women of the right to divorce. It is sobering that Roe v. Wade was lost so easily. And where this can go here is just where it went in Iran. The revolution occurred in 1978-79, and forced veiling and the stripping of almost all marital rights was complete by 1983. It's now 2024, so it's been 40 years of abuse by government and sometimes -- certainly not always -- of being abused in the home. Once it's lost, it can be lost for years, decades, or centuries. And I am not sure men hate women. Men need women in a whole complex of ways that women don't need men: for childbearing, obviously. And also I think biologically, men suffer from (and I mean that) a procreative pressure that women don't suffer with to such a remarkable degree, and that lasts for them for a couple of decades. This is what the Incels are angry about: now that women can make their own way and create their own success in the world, there is far, far less pressure on women to accept liaisons with men than there was before. I am old -- 76 -- and 3/4 of the girls in my high school class were married by the time they were 22. Now marriage is a complete option -- so long as birth control still remains, but Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito has their knives out for that, too. When someone's needs become optional for the other person, I think it can engender rage. There are two serious examples of this, one being the debate in Yemen several years back about legal marriage age. As Yemen had signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child and CEDAW, that age should be 18. But some in government argued that the legal age should be 13 because "young teenage boys want to have sex." So now there is NO legal age, and now there are four million child brides in Yemen and no plan afoot to solve the problem. And in India, the rape capital of the world, they were warned: when abortion was made legal, 2,999 out of every 3,000 abortions was the termination of a female foetus. Doctors sounded the alarm early: parents were terminated almost exclusively females--to get out of the burden of paying a dowry later--which would, in 20 years, leave a whole generation of men without wives or even the prospect of ever marrying or having children and deprive millions upon millions of males of any sexual happiness at all. Some said, "This will make women more prized as people." And the doctors said, "No, it will make women targeted for an afternoon's pleasure and many, many women will die." And the doctors were right. In India, one in 20 women has an abortion in any year--in every year. And 99.996% of them are female foetuses. This problem is getting worse, not better. And this generation of boys, raised not on relationship by on cell phones, has no emotional skills with which to approach their own needs, and thus turn to each other on the Internet, with disastrous results. Men need women. And what men hate isn't women. Men need women, and men hate needing.
I call it the great reversal.
About 15 years ago my grandfather remarked that one of the most significant changes and improvements he had seen over his lifetime was the role and possibilities for women. All 4 of his daughters and 3 sons went to university. My mum fell pregnant in 1969 with me in her first year of uni and my grandmother and grandfather sent her back to my farther and back to uni. I am a true bastard.
I am now witnessing the reversing, a great unwinding of the position of women in the US with the evangelical right wing Project 2025 agenda. trump 1.0’s stacking of SCOTUS and the disaster of Roe being the very significant opening act.
The sliding decent into a Christian fundamentalist theocratic state will be super bad for women as you said, with your example Iran and also Afghanistan that is shockingly bad.
The saddest thing is that when aid groups support women, empower them, the whole family and society benefits as seen with the micro credit initiatives. Women spend their money on the whole family and invest in the development and support of the whole family.
Your examples of Yemen’s child brides and the abortion for men are both terrible twisted outcome. I believe a similar trait has been seen in China skewing towards males plus the one child policy for so many years.
Finally, “And what men hate isn't women. Men need women, and men hate needing.”
Men hate needing women?
Not sure, yet another part if misogyny?
Reading and listening to Krishnamurti most of our problems stem from our fragmented and conditioned thinking.
The thinking mind exists in space time and is conditioned by our culture, language, traditions, our ideas, beliefs, ambitions, desires, envies, jealousies, wants, illusions, delusions and fears. Everything around us and in us conditions us. And we can only grasp bits and pieces, fragments of everything, we cannot see of perceive the whole via this conditioned and fragmented thinking mind.
This fragmented mind then acts and implements all these dysfunctional, incomplete fragments of ideas, beliefs, fears, and all the rest of it, into the world.
Act, act, act and then there is endless reaction, reaction and reaction. It’s an endless insane jumbled mess of a cycle. We all do this, hence the world we live in now.
Krishnamurti says the only non fragmented actions we can take is by love. Love is one of these mystery’s that can only be described by what it is not. bell hooks says love, in the sense of an intimate partner is the spiritual enrichment of the other.
Everything I see and read about controlling women is definitely not love. Project 2025, evangelical Christian fundamentalists, Shia Muslim fundamentalists in Iran, Suni /Pashtan fundamentalists in Afghanistan, Incels, Proud Boys, white supremacists all want to control, restrict and dominate women. This is obviously all repression and oppression of women. All the antithesis of love.
So, these fundamentalist men may, by biological necessity, need women, but I fail to see how all this coercive control is not hate, not misogyny.
What a great story about your mum. I think this huge, worldwide backlash against women's rights is a panic. And, for sure, it's hate and misogyny. And the hatred of needing is a hatred of feeling vulnerable and one thing patriarchy does is help me disguise their fears by issuing fiats about what women are and are not able to do. If you're running somebody else's life, who is there to fear. But if you need someone and you can't run their life, that fear rushes up on you. And I think that's what we're seeing. I know some men who are Incels and more who are MRA (Men's Rights Activists), and although I hear about the things they've said, they have not stopped being kind to me and respectful of me. Maybe it's my age. But this I also feel, and write about it above ... These people online who are making millions off this violent grievance culture aren't getting rich off women: they're getting rich of teenagers and young men willing to pay $670 for a two-week course on how to manipulate a woman into bed or $8,000 for a course on how to bully a woman into making a porn video for you that you'll make $250,000 off in six months. Andrew Tate is the enemy of men, who are duped by him into POURING cash at him. He is as much as an enemy to them as he is to a vulnerable 15-year-old. How deep is the fear in men of this age, when their control is gone and they are flailing in desperation for a relationship in which there can be some kind of real love and respect and joy? I am all for calling out what these people are doing -- and how real this threat is -- but at the end of the day, I wind up crying a lot and thanking all that is holy that my son did not grow up any later than he did--and that he had the benefit of growing up with a psychologist father and around a host of religious leaders of many orientations. And ah ... Krishamurti. Beautiful ... beautiful. I was living in Australia when he was to visit there. The local people build bleachers on both sides of Sydney Harbor in anticipation that he would walk into from the sea on the water. He let them know he wouldn't. It made him very sad. Fragmented thinking/feeling/sensing indeed. Please stick around. I love what you just wrote, and I hope you will comment a lot. [s] All love, all light ...
Panic indeed.
If I step back and cast my gaze wider and putting my money corrupting power / billionaire elite conspiracy / cooked the planet / psychopath run corporate capitalist fascist conspiracy hat on for a moment, lol.
This psychotic “system” in the 70s, 80s and 90s has ripped up any social contract allegiance to the people and exported in the name of “free open markets” traditional men’s jobs to developing counties because it’s a lot cheaper, exploiting all and everything for the mighty $ and in the process created a crises of opportunity across the western world and Russia as we ripped up and abandoned our industrial heartlands at a phenomenal pace and cost to the working class and their communities. In the process drove down wages and conditions for all and impoverished whole sways of our countries.
This total economic betrayal and social vandalism in the pursuit of endlessly increasing profit by the billionaire elites is the initial primary (cancer) creator, driver and stressor of this inversion of ordinary mens roles, emasculation, driving and forcing them ever down via shear lack of economic opportunity and ability to influence or change it.
This to me seems to be what’s driving men into the spiraling MRA / MGTOW / Incel taliban luving hell hole echo chamber ways.
That and the un$ocial media age we have plunged into where algorithms drive everyone into angry hate filled echo chambers as this is the fuel that creates and maintains engagement for us to be flogged back to the billionaire advertisers. All on a world wide scale so we can all froth and radicalise each other.
Yuck, I hate it all un$ocial media that has no purpose and it’s corrosive psychotic impacts on us all.
Except Sub Stack!
We men, collectively have lost our way big time.
Men, I have found are VERY emotional creatures. My limited exposure to a men’s mentoring group years ago, both a small one of 4 men and a larger group revealed just how deep and profound men’s emotions are and how lost so many of them are, how hurt and damaged they have been by their failed relationships and split families.
And I have seen first hand female aggression and abuse and its equally devastating impacts.
Like all emotions I can see how these extremely intense intimate partner ones when not directed or dealt with well, properly or healthily can lead straight to intense shame, anger and straight down the violent rabbit hole of the MRA / MGTOW / Incel taliban luving ways.
I saw directly how different my personal relationship was with my best female friend was. I have complete and open communication in my relationship, and try to work on it literally everyday. What I gave and received from my relationship is and was vastly different from what these damaged men had lived and experienced.
Circling back to your “And the hatred of needing is a hatred of feeling vulnerable and one thing patriarchy does is help me disguise their fears by issuing fiats about what women are and are not able to do. “
I can concur about vulnerability, the mentoring group provided a safe space for the men present, to reveal, show and share their pain and anguish in a non judgemental social circle of peers, only the man holding the sceptre was allowed to talk and the rest had to listen only, all before older and younger men, as I feel men have always done throughout time, it’s a very powerful unifying and cathartic thing / experience for those present.
Bearing collective witness via intense present listening and providing some sort of collective shared care by being there in that moment for others brings out all sorts of stuff. Stuff that most likely has no outlet except into the destructive nihilist paths we have been talking about.
Then there is the psychopathic Tate’s of the world directly preying upon men’s vulnerability and fully exploiting them for $ at a terrible cost to them personally and the rest of our societies. All this needs to be exposed as you are.
Totally agree with your statement about your son growing up, I would not like to grow up in today’s hyper surveilled word, you already know my thoughts on un$ocial media.
My son is now 18 and his mother keeps a very close eye on him but we have exposed him to the realities of life from an early age and have had an on going continuous dialogue about all the dysfunctions and traps that are out there and he has gone out and seen and experienced them for himself. You can only hope your kids have the skills to navigate this crazy world.
I imagine it made Krishnamurti very sad that people saw and thought of him as a god, deity, saviour, guru, as he keeps saying don’t follow me or anyone, it’s all conditioning…
And thank you for all your insights, observations and thoughts on our collective dysfunctions! Luv your work. Cheers.
Just when I think things can’t be more vulgar or more scary they get 100% more vulgar and more scary.
Whew! Who are we? Does regulation still have a meaning ?
Does adulthood carry a purpose beyond getting to act like a moron?
Are we so lost in “just making it” that we care not a twit about regulated guidance for not only our children, but for our entire race?
It seems time( way over due) that we regulate the inter-net so it isn’t awash in hate and vulgarity . When it works to educate it can be a tremendous ideal. When it is used to give the “green light” to verbally abusing then it needs to carry huge fines and rules. Delete ! But with purpose to curb ugly hateful losers.
BS is a major component of the MAGA movement! People should recognize that!
The amazing thing isn’t what Trump & Vance say, but that so many fall for their BS!
Is Vance seriously disturbed, saying intentionally inflammatory ideas to take us off tract reducing our attention to important events, or truly believing these things and is rational? I suggest the 2nd intentionally taking us down rabbit holes.
Still we should fight and block his apparent policy ideas but do it like swatting flies. We stay on our track but deal with his rabbits as easily as flies while continuing to work.
Trump and Vance are doing this intentionally to lure the roughly 50 million late teens through mid-30s men who espouse anti-feminist ideologies ranging from the Men's Rights Activism movement (Harrison Butker who espouses Trad Wifedom for the formerly free woman) to the Pick-Up Artist movement (Andrew Tate et al. who espouses rape, trafficking, and use of women in porn videos to make money ... and who converted to Talibanism last November). Now we get into far, far more dangerous: the Incels. These are men who are "involuntary celibates"--they want sexual partners and life partners and can't get them. They have adopted lingo from The Matrix and violent online games and classify both men and women. There are Red Pill guys and Purple Pill guys, and the Reds (the more severe) advocate draconian losses of rights by women. And they HATE women. Many espouse rape, child assault if that's what the guy wants, and a complete removal of woman for public office, work, and free socialization. Basically, they're the Taliban and have cheered every time the Taliban remove educational, divorce, electoral, and medical rights from women. Here's a synopsis. Pay pretty close attention to the mass murders, because there have been some:
The subculture's attitude can be characterized by resentment, hostility, sexual objectification, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, sense of entitlement to sex, blaming of women and the sexually successful for their situation (which is often seen as predetermined due to biological determinism, evolutionary genetics or a rigged game), nihilism, rape culture, and the endorsement of sexual and non-sexual violence against women and the sexually active.[10][25] Incel communities have been increasingly criticized by scholars, government officials, and others for their misogyny, the endorsement and encouragement of violence, and extremism.[26] Over time the subculture has become associated with extremism and terrorism, and since 2014 there have been multiple mass killings, mostly in North America, perpetrated by self-identified incels, as well as other instances of violence or attempted violence.
The MGTOWs -- Men Going Their Own Way -- may be the worst group, though they are many fewer in number. What sets them apart is their notion of extermination camps for women except for those especially chosen to bear child and to mate with men at their pleasure. Here you have the Handmaid's Tale but with the overt desire to control women for sex in the ways and at the times they say. Basically sexual slavery and forced childbirth.
Now, I wish that were them putting us on, but it is not. My son, who is as sane and good a man as I have known in my lifetime sat me down and warned me about a neighbor saying I should never, under any circumstances, let him in the house -- and grieved the fact that so many of his friends have been sucked into this misogynyn in the last TWO YEARS.
If Trump and Vance can tap these guys -- and they're now using every catch phrase of theirs they can find -- and inspire them to the polls, they can beat Kamala Harris, who represents everything they hate in a woman.
Politicians and religious figures have always played the card that if men will vote for them, they will fork over women's freedom to them, get them out off the public sphere so men can recapture control of all the money in the culture -- thereby forcing women back into marriage and into the home -- and end not just abortion but contraception and stop what they *feel* is the plot against whites by women and people of culture, the Great Replacement theory to which all these groups are allied to the marrow of their bones.
And who are they really, at heart? From Sian Norris's book, "Bodies under Siege: How the Far–Right Attack on Reproductive Rights Went Global
When the Taliban recaptured Afghanistan in August 2021, the incels celebrated the “Talichad” and approvingly shared images of women being flogged. One post on abortion reads, “I care about abortion, women have to suffer and if they don’t wanna suffer, we make them suffer.”
More coming on this. But they are NOT having us on, and Trump and Vance REALLY want to tap their numbers. Which is why they're taking their misogyny mainstream not that Project 2025 has been exposed and they have far less to lose than they once did.
Yep, I can defiantly believe it. Psychopaths only know escalation and burning the place.
If Trump 2.0 can put a bomb under hating women DEI hire vibe and win, we’ll see MGTOW camps being built.
And the proximal power from the patriarchy women that join in. 🤬
Thank you Mr. Sinclair
I'm an old woman [s] ... who doesn't want to see young women lose all the freedoms my generation achieved, only to watch them vanish ...
I'm surprised that no one has made the association of "childless cat ladies" with "witches" in the Middle ages and into our early colonial days. Unmarried women were often seen as a threat by men, because they couldn't be controlled; they often took roles of healers, wise women, midwives, women who knew herbs that could be used for abortion, they had to carve out a living for themselves in a world that vilified them. They learned to not have to rely on men for their livelihood. They didn't fit into the roles of patriarchy as Vance so clearly delineates. Allowing them to teach would be dangerous. They may have had cats as pets. They were dangerous to the church and patriarchy, so they "became" the "witches" that were persecuted, murdered, burned in the name of "Christianity". It seems like such a clear association...
Did Joan of Arc have kids?
Don't they also want to force women to cover their bodies from head to toe and make them where masks? Also make singing illegal, adultery punishable by death, and take away voting rights. Its aweful
All Americans have the obligation and responsibilities to question their government. Our Republic was based on that premise.
Trump never advocated for violence.
Fight for your rights peaceably.
Best talk to Pelosi and her gang about inciting a riot!
We seriously need to stop giving these stanky inbred rapist pedophiles of Donald J. Trump air time. Just send the bitches to prison and drag out the hookers who spat these fuckers out.
Trump lost multi-million dollar legal judgments for defamation against E. Jean Carrol, I wonder if he has opened himself to civil or criminal complaints against him from former senator and attorney general Kamala Harris for defamation, intimidation and harassment.
One problem is the declining percentage of public schools that mix cultures and classes.
And cellphones foster cliquey closed gossip groups.
My 2nd marriage was to a woman who made more money than me but I felt that she had the right to control her own finances.
I'll have to add this issue to my climate change studies.
Thanks.