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Fred McKinnon's avatar

Just an old hippy here tired of the "christian" debate. Our constitution plainly states no establishment of religion. period. We are free as a people to worship in any way we see fit, or not worship at all. Our founders were familiar with church as state. Many of our first colonies were governed this way. One of my earliest ancestors in this country was forced out of Salem village because he refused to follow a church order. His son was in the first graduating class of Harvard when it was a divinity school. As minister in Salem he was tasked with enforcing court rulings. Do you think the Salem witch trials would have taken place if the government then in place was secular? Our founders compromised on many things in our constitution but there is a reason the first sentence in the first amendment excludes religion from government. We are meant to be governed by reason not faith.

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PhilsThom's avatar

Modern Christians tend to cherry-pick from the entirety of the Bible. This passage from The West Wing resounds:

‘I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?

My Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?

Here's one that's really important ‘cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. (Leviticus 11:7) If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?

Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?’

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